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FIAT has taken a controlling interest in post-bailout Chrysler.Back in the day when foreign cars were the butt of Americans' jokes there was a knee-slapper about one particularly unreliable European marque.  Fix It Again Tony is the punch line question to the Jeopardy! answer: What does the acronym FIAT stand for?

 

Until Japanese cars caught on in North America (most Baby Boomers were married with children by then) the import market was all about quirky little European models like VW's original Beetle plus a handful of snobbish hi-lux and exotic brands. With the ascendancy of Datsun (Nissan), Toyota and Honda, however, Euro niche brands like FIAT, Peugeot and Opel were forced out of the US market.

 

Aided by socialistic assistance from the Obama administration, FIATUnless and until government car czars and their corporate yes-men grasp a few simple facts about the American car-buying public, taxpayer money will continue to be thrown at the domestic automakers to little avail. has taken a stake in the Chrysler recovery experiment.  Thus, it is sadly likely that the domestic auto marketing think tank will consist of even more Euro-socialist, environmentally-conscious bureaucrat theoreticians and fewer real car guys. Auto enthusiasts and comfort-craving Middle Americans, as usual, have little to say in the matter.

 

Despite the sham corporate re-birth of GM that has been designed, first and foremost, around protecting UAW jobs and keeping their Democrat-contributing union coffers full, the US auto industry has been at a point for some time where the faucet has barely dripped brand and nation-loyal consumers who still have the ability to purchase.  That faucet is in serious jeopardy of being completely shut off as our economy remains in decline.

 

Unless and until government car czars and their corporate yes-men grasp a few simple facts about the American car-buying public, taxpayer money will continue to be thrown at the domestic automakers to little avail...

  • Fuel efficiency and pro-environmentalism are not major consumer motivators.  Fuel economy is a primary concern, a bit more so since the four-buck-a-gallon scare and the current Dollar-devaluation-based price hikes, but it is graded on a curve by car shoppers.  If, for example, a V6-equipped Chevy Malibu is capable of getting 30mpg on the highway, the average consumer is less likely to be interested in a somewhat smaller car, say a Toyota Camry, with a 4-cylinder engine if it is EPA-rated for about the same gas mileage, stickers for about the same price and has had a greater number of safety recalls. For that matter, why would a long-time Toyota owner opt for a hybrid Prius when he could buy an extremely reliable and fuel-efficient Corolla for thousands less?

  • Government intervention has always been a hindrance to domestic car sales.  From the mandating of catalytic converters and other pollution controls to unrealistic Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) regulations to bumper impact standards and crash ratings, the government has always made it more and more difficult for truck sales-reliant US automakers to be competitive with the so-called import brands.  Being forced, as a result of bureaucratic infiltration, to adopt even harsher fuel economy and emissions regulations is giving so-called import brands an even bigger advantage.

  • Tax breaks and cash-for-clunkers" subsidies will not get the job done either.  Big rebates, low APR financing, no-dicker stickers and factory incentives for college grads, first-time buyers, members of the military, etc. are never enough to move distressed merchandise. Americans love to bargain with salesmen!  While one might assume that younger, more liberal Americans are less likely to dicker, the advent of Consumer Reports followed by exposure to hundreds of Internet car-buying tutorials per year have actually emboldened younger people, making them more apt to arrive at the showroom loaded for bear and ready to hammer the dealer.  Usually, this does not occur before they have received multiple low-ball price quotes from dealers online.  The influx of immigrants from Asian and Mid-Eastern nations over the last quarter century has also kept old-fashioned bargaining popular.

  • Unionism has enabled so-called import automakers to gain an unfair advantage.  How dangerously ironic is it that the UAW, perennial bedmate of Democrats, has been a co-owner and future stake-holder -- along with the US Government -- in GM?  Meanwhile, non-union Asian and European companies like Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Hyundai, Volkswagen and BMW will continue manufacturing vehicles for the American market right here in the USA at a significantly reduced labor/employee benefits cost. 

There is a growing anti-union political and consumer backlash.  The big question that Americans have begun to ask is: "Can we ever count on unions to act capitalistically enough to help domestic manufacturing companies survive?"  Moreover, can we ever expect the government to fix anything -- regardless of how many of our tax dollars they spend?

 


The author has been continuously involved in most aspects of new vehicle retailing since 1987...has received sales performance awards from GM, Nissan and Chrysler...has been actively involved in motorsports for over 30 years...has worked as a developmental test driver.

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Think they might put a Hemi in one of those FIAT's?

 

gonahporch

St. George, UT

[No. But you could get a hemi from the harsh ride and firm Euro seat. -ED]


The only way American jobs are going to return from overseas, is to buy American made products only. It is time to get out of the global economy mentality and get into isolation mode.

 

electrondude

St. Cloud, MN Times


Given the even greater level of government intervention into aircraft safety standards, then aircraft production in this country should also be in the tank. But no, Boeing is doing just fine. Me thinks much of the problem with GM was totally self inflicted. It's just easier to blame the gub'mint.

I thought that government imposed safety and fuel economy standards applied equally to all vehicles sold in the U.S., regardless of where they were manufactured. That means that all car makers, from Audi to GM to Toyota have essentially the same restrictions. Not sure just how that places American manufacturers at a disadvantage.

I can accept that some union activities may have an impact on the bottom line. But, just like foreign car makers who set up shop in the U.S., American manufacturers can and do build plants in the mainly southern "right to work" states. Unions have much, much less influence on them. And what effect does our grossly inflated executive pay system have on that bottom line? They aren't union members.

Finally, having been buying and driving cars for more than a day or two, my experience has been, particularly recently, that Japanese vehicles are of greater quality than those built in the U.S. That simply cannot be explained away by government safety standards or union activity. Those are only excuses for poor performance. "Planned obsolescence," I believe, originated as an American term and concept. So why is it not just as viable an argument that the Big Three shot themselves in the foot, and their executives are frantically looking around for someone else to blame, with help from guys like you?

 

oldsquid

Austin, TX American-Statesman

[For the most part, Asian and Euro brands have not had full-sized trucks and body-on-frame SUV's dragging their CAFE down while the domestics have been largely profit-dependent upon these types of vehicles. Quality and other issues speak to a capitalistic free market and they are certainly valid but that is not the gist of today's commentary. Your aircraft safety analogy is also not germane to this discussion because commercial aircraft are not consumer products like automobiles that are sold in thousands of showrooms across the nation to hammer-bargaining shoppers. However, the government has a rich history of cutting deals for their end users -- the airlines. Then there are those military expenditures that lefties refuse to credit for their assist to the economy and the manufacturing community. -ED]


American people that receive $12 billion back on our investment of 50 billion with General Motors alone. We invested $50 billion in the takeover of General Motors. The UAW invested zero dollars and has received $4 billion in return so far. This is part of the continuing repayment for supporting Obama During his candidacy for president. The government is now asking people to purchase General Motors stock, and they are proud as heck that they are now trading in the stock market. The question I have for everybody is, why should anybody purchase stocks from General Motors? What happened to the last stockholder's how much did they get for their stock? The government took over General Motors threw their stock away, saying it was worthless as a company was on the verge of collapse. The administration divided up General Motors and Chrysler issuing new stock with the government and the UAW being the major shareholders. Now they want to go public and sell stock so is worth more? What kind of scheme is this? I'm sure the UAW loves it is called free money for the UAW. One more example of the corruption in the Obama administration.

 

fishinjunky

Great Falls, MT Tribune


Is GM a domestic car company?  What percentage of GM vehicles are made in the US? Of those, what percentage of parts are made in the US?  Foreign countries (including China) now own a chunk of the company.

 

IndyDependent

St. Cloud, MN Times

[Like Toyota, Nissan, Hyundai, BMW, VW, Honda etc., some GM (Chrysler and Ford) parts are accessed from other nations...but the largest percentage of North American models are screwed together "domestically" here in North America. By federal law, every new vehicle has a " foreign content % " label affixed to a window next to the Monroney Label (MSRP sticker) and the "pollution index" sticker. GM is certainly a domestic company -- more so than ever before -- as a result of US government ownership (yes, even after the IPO). -ED]


"Moreover, can we ever expect the government to fix anything -- regardless of how many of our tax dollars they spend?"

Eddo, the government has fixed numerous items with tax dollars. For example, they have "fixed" the compensation for federal employees, "fixed" members of congress retirements, and uh, hold on, er, give me a second, let's see, oh yeah. The government has "fixed" um, wait .....can I get back with you on that?

 

fuguestate

Montgomery, AL Advertiser


One part of the problem started when foreign automakers euthanized "planned obsolescence." The auto industry will never be the same. It used to be almost routine to buy a new car every 3 years as the old one started to fall apart. It requires extreme naiveté to do that now with most cars. The concept of "upside down" is a laughable attempt to keep the old scam going.

 

brerrabit

Lafayette, LA Daily Advertiser


Ahh Ed you know the government knows best. What is wrong with the Government swapping spit with the Unions and the taxpayer getting the salami? I heard some of them Union boys need new roofs on their cabins up north.

 

oscarthepig

Wausau, WI Daily Herald


So, when the government bails out GM it is socialistic takeover. When the government sells off their stake in GM, it is a sham. So, were all of the wolf criers wrong about the socialistic takeover? Would they ever admit it? Same thing went for the banks. No socialistic takeovers people. That's the conservative demagoguery at its best.

Now, with that said, I was not for the bailouts, nor am I a big fan of unions. I am not naive enough to think that without balance corruption would be worse. If unions didn't exist we wouldn't even come close to having decent wages, but again, plenty of corruption in unions as well.

What we have are all of the large organizations, government, corporations, unions, etc. working together against the American people. The rich are getting richer. I just can never understand why people defend any of them. My first comment is not in defense of the government, but I am opposed to fear-mongering regardless of the side pitching it.

 

lafayette70501

Lafayette, LA Daily Advertiser

[Fear-mongering in this entire episode began with statements like: "This is an emergency that will become a catastrophe if we don't act immediately."  For zero taxpayer investment GM could have gone BK, busted the unions and its other draining contracts and reorganized just as nicely as they have done on OUR dime. -ED]


Good rant Ed.

Your average hybrid not only costs more up front, but the average repair bills are also quite a bit higher. I read somewhere recently that you'd have to drive your hybrid an average of 7 years before it "paid off".

As far as the UAW is concerned, not even accepting minimum wage can compete with Honda transmission builders in China, who after going on strike, got a raise TO $10 a DAY.

Read about that here:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/29/business/global/29honda.html

 

Friends Electric

St. Cloud, MN Times


The thing the left seems to be ignoring in favor of trying to restore Dear Leader's image as the Savior is this:

Whether GM flops again or actually succeeds this time, guess what? WE still owe the money it took to bail them and others out in the first place. Regardless of the spin and lies, true success can only be declared when that is paid back.

 

MypalBalok

Montgomery, AL Advertiser


The govt was able to do things with GM that mgmt could never do. Such as passing off their medical costs to the union. Laying off about 1/4th of their people. Closing a couple plants and car lines. Lowered their workers pay. Dropping a lot of debt thru bankruptsy. And then gave everyone $8000 to buy a car...actually I guess the %8000 was for a home, but they gave people money to buy a car from Govt Motors. Their mgmt could do none of this but the govt could because they are playing with our money.

 

Antonious

Austin, TX American-Statesman


Hey Ed I liked this topic. Too bad about the giant being slain. Yes it is their fault. They produced nothing but junk from about 1970 on.The life span of the American built car was 3 years. After that nothing but a big trouble. They killed themselves. To bad too nothing beat American made 50's and 60's rides. Thanks for the read.

 

catmandu

Palm Springs, CA Desert Sun

[Sticking with today's topic I won't go off on a quality-defense tangent. Nonetheless, when you look at today's Toyotas and Hondas that are made just as domestically as GMs, Fords and Chryslers, there isn't much difference and there certainly have been fewer domestic safety recalls in recent years. -ED]


Here is a point I would like to make to all. From the definition of Socialism on Wikipedia:

"Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources." So the govt owning stock in a company, dictating whom will be their CEO, and exerting other related controls on a company (GM in this case) is Socialism in its most overt sense. And yet liberals scream loudly when we call it what it is.

 

BurtJohnson

St. Cloud, MN Times


You right-wing nuts can't stand to see something positive happen under the Obama Administration can you. Like i have said before, if some government funded research project discovered a cure for all cancer, and it happened while Obama was President, people like you would find something negative to say about it.

What you really don't like about the resurgence of GM is because the UAW is still in business. The reason the repugs were against the bailout of GM is because they wanted to see the union go bottom up! Well, it didn't happen, so just smile and move on.

 

nocturne

Montgomery, AL Advertiser

[The unions and their eternal bennies were/are the biggest hindrance to GM's profitability. Had GM gone bankrupt all by itself a year earlier -- as conservative carguys and the real stockholders had been demanding -- the same (probably better ) result would have been achieved and the unionistas would still have jobs at "import"-competitive salaries. Only diff...it would have cost the taxpayers a tiny fraction of the $$$ and the Democraps' funding would have taken a big hit.  And as usual, nockworst, Obama is lying about the math and the after-math. -ED]


Now back to the topic of corruption in the Obama administration, if there is need of further evidence, please visit the website for Health and Human Services to view the number of unions allowed to opt out of ObamaCare. It seems the left have no problems in forcing others into government run health care as long as they have the freedom to keep their current health plans.

 

And if you are a Liberal, the ends justifies the means right?  So tax the payers, other retirees and stock holders were fleeced to enrich the politically better-connected UAW. Retirees and pension funds that held GM or Chrysler stock have lost millions of dollars. Teachers, police, state employees and others received $.29 on the dollar and the UAW ended up with a 55% ownership of the company.

But that is okay with you right [liberals]? People like my father that passed away four months ago and held GM bonds were fleeced by Obama and UAW. Some people purchased the GM or Chrysler Bonds to put their kids through college and by some non-union employees to help fund their own retirement.  But we all have a collective responsibility right...? It seems everyone except the well-connected unions have to share in that collective responsibility of loss income and health care.

 

VoteNo

Lafayette, LA Daily Advertiser

One added point to your cogent, coherent, comprehensive and, most of all, CORRECT remarks...


While the UAW's contracts were protected within the bankruptcy, other GM contracts with parts suppliers and a host of other contractors were not. Sure, auto assembly jobs were saved, but many other manufacturing jobs were lost as a result of the BK and GM's emerging leanness. Next time you wonder why unemployment is still at 9.6% despite all of wonderful comeback stuff your Dear Leader SAYS has happened, think about guys who used to work at exhaust parts and ball joint factories that used to supply GM. Think about the major brands and other existing dealerships that Government Motors arbitrarily closed or forced out. I used to work for one of them before and during government ownership at which Pontiac accounted for 60% of our new vehicle business. Oh, I forgot...lefties/unionistas don't want to think about the negatives, let alone how much they have cost the rest of us. -ED]


This [IPO] wasn't positive. dammit! All of the previous stock holders lost their A double S's, what did they get...???? A PENNY ON THE DOLLAR? GM's stock EVAPORATED [for them]!

 

Liberty4USA

Montgomery, AL Advertiser


http://www.rttnews.com/Content/EntertainmentNews.aspx?Section=2&Id=1484171&SM=1

The fire that erupted on November 9 in Neil Young's warehouse seems to have been started by his hybrid 1959 Lincoln Continental, according to reports.  The car in question had been outfitted with electric batteries and a biodiesel-powered generator by Young's company LincVolt.

"We are still investigating the exact cause, although it appears to be an operator error that occurred in an untested part of the charging system. We do know that the car has been operating perfectly for almost 2,000 miles and the system in question would not be in use while driving the car. We are investigating the components involved with plug-in charging," Young said in a statement.

He adds: "The wall charging system was not completely tested and had never been left unattended. A mistake was made - it was not the fault of the car."

--no, it's not the car's fault. It's karma. LOL

 

novelator

Great Falls, MT Tribune



 

 

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